I recall the first time I was able to visit the cord area of Mr Otic Geroso. He had regular concrete teepees and planted 1 tree beside it. When the tree got tall enough he removed the concrete teepees and just placed a roost which is about 6 feet in height at the trees he planted and this is the result. I even said that he needed tall handlers to be able to pick up the roosters from a very high roost.